Between the Lessons
Susan and Kavan are two Gen X educators who’ve spent decades in classrooms—but the lessons that shaped them most didn’t come from textbooks and studies.
Between the Lessons is a space for real conversations, meaningful connection, and thoughtful reflection about everything in and out of the classroom. Class may not be in session, but sometimes, the most important learning happens in the in-between.
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Friday Aug 22, 2025
Friday Aug 22, 2025
Susan and Kavan reflect on what they’ve observed in schools over the past two to three decades, covering topics from standardized testing and college pressure to student disengagement and navigating the educational system. As seasoned educators, they also share insights on how parent involvement has evolved alongside the changing school landscape. Looking ahead to the 2025–2026 school year, they explore strategies for engaging students in an era shaped by AI.
Friday Aug 22, 2025
Friday Aug 22, 2025
In this episode, Susan and Kavan share why they chose a career in education—and what has kept them there for so many years. They discuss the challenges that many new teachers face and what it takes to navigate those early, often difficult, years in the classroom. They also reflect on why they still love being in schools and offer a glimpse of where they see the future of education heading.
Wednesday Aug 06, 2025
Wednesday Aug 06, 2025
In this episode, Susan and Kavan share their feelings and perspectives about turning the big 5-0. What has the last 50 years taught them and how do they want to move forward in their next phase of life. Listen along as they candidly share what 50 means to them.
Tuesday Aug 05, 2025
Tuesday Aug 05, 2025
Susan and Kavan are Gen X kids who grew up when Asians were 'invisible' in greater American culture, society, and textbooks. They share what it was like to be children of Asian immigrants - how they felt and what they experienced as young people. They reflect on being marginalized but also talk about how these experiences influenced their lives as adults where they wanted to make sure that those that followed them did not have the same experiences that they did in their youth.
Tuesday Aug 05, 2025
Tuesday Aug 05, 2025
In this introduction episode, Susan and Kavan share who they are, why they started a podcast, and what you can expect in the episodes ahead. As Asian American Gen X educators, Susan and Kavan know all the in-betweens of school life, so they are here to share along in the journey with you. Thanks for joining and coming along for the ride.